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Issue #60

Données

20130210 pingbatteries.com

60      48      36      24      Ah      60      48      36      24
512     382     318     219     10      0.85    0.80    0.88    0.91
693     533     423     308     15      0.77    0.74    0.78    0.86
905     658     518     378     20      0.75    0.69    0.72    0.79
1385    1053    811     545     30      0.77    0.73    0.75    0.76

                                min/max 0.69    0.91    $/Wh

Antennes et MB

Systemes

Liens

Mats

Panneaux solaires

Photovoltaique amorphe

Batteries

Remote Power Control

UPS DC

Piles a combustible

Piles au methanol pour les caravanes avec un modele en vente (ebay & boutiques meme sur Toulouse) autour de 2000 euros pour 25W (12V * 2A) de capacité, petite boite 43,5 x 20,0 x 27,6 cm / 6.5 kg et 0.9 litre de methanol par kWh produit. A 10W cela fait 45 jours d'autonomie pour 40 euros la recharge de 10 litres.

Eolien

Mats

Stirling

Ultra capacitors

http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/piprod/documents/Session_D_Miller_rev.pdf
http://www.maxwell.com/products/ultracapacitors/docs/datasheet_16v_series_1009363.pdf
Mass, typical 5.51 kg Usable Specific Power, 2,700 W/kg Specific Energy, E max 3.2 Wh/kg Stored Energy 17.8 Wh

http://hackaday.com/2010/09/30/launchpad-takes-ultra-low-power-to-the-extreme/

Q = C * V
Q = I * T
Where
C = 20F
V = 5V
Q = 100C
With discharge current say 1uA:
T = 100C / 1uA = 100,000,000 seconds
T(seconds) / 60 / 60 / 24 / 7 = 165 weeks to discharge to 68% of max capacity.
At current draw 100uA the value is 11 weeks.

Alright, first I’m no math wizard really…
(couldn’t get through calculus…)
I just looked at datasheets.
I don’t know the MSP430, but his datasheet say
With internal oscillator @1Mhz = from .2ma – .3ma
(change with / voltage) so let’s guess .25ma
Yeah, there the lcd module that would be easy
To measure since consumption is steady.
Let’s say it take 100 clock to get a task done
(assuming a more complexe task is done) = ~100us @ 1Mhz, which give 100us/1s = 0.01% duty cycle = 0.01 * .25mA = 2,5uA average
or ((2.7+1.8)/2)V * 2,5uA= 5.6uWatts

Capacitor leakage :
We dont what it is, it seem to change wildly from
One 10F from another :
Nichicon = .5 * C at 2.7volt = .5 * 10 = 5mA…
They say it’s after half an hour.
Maxwell = 0,03ma after 72 hours
So duuhh it must be reduced when voltage drop…

Here you also have to take into account ESR
(Equivalent Serial Resistor) so it’s like a resistor .
Nichicon = .3 ohm
Maxwell = .075 ohm
We take that in account in the capacitor
Discharge formula ( as R)

Q = C* V * (1-e^(-t/(RC) ) )
Where Q= is the charge Amp/s?
C = 10F
V = 2.7 at start, 0 or with our mcu 1.7V
e = natural number = ~ 2.71828…
t = time in second
R= in this case, ESR + mcu load (V=RI)
Then you need to consider the leakage of both cap.

So it’s not impossible, it took like 10min to get these info,
Take 20 more and you might have some approximation

I did my part.

Forums

Solutions radio

Technologie

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Misc

Il faudra sans doute 50 a 100W de panneau photovoltaique pour un relai, on trouve du 90W amorphe pour 121 euros livrés :

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Schott-Solar-ASI-90-Dunnschicht-Solarmodul-/250927063886?pt=Solaranlagen&hash=item3a6c6b234e#ht_500wt_1413

20kg de batterie (100 euros) + panneau (121 euros) + regulateur (50 ?) + matos wifi et antennes (300 ?) ~ 600 euros.

http://www.interprojekt.com.pl/mikrotik-routerboard-level-64mb-3xlan-3xminipci-p-394.html
http://www.interprojekt.com.pl/mikrotik-routerboard-r52nm-minipci-p-898.html
http://www.interprojekt.com.pl/mikrotik-routerboard-r52hn-300mbps-80211abgn-high-p-745.html
MIMO et dual 2.4/5.5

Une solution alternative :

- un routerboard a la place du switch
- un cable pieuvre power jack 1 femelle vers 8 males
- une alimentation de portable 19V 3.42A
- un splitter PoE passif
- des injecteurs PoE passif

http://shop.varia-store.com/product_info.php?info=p1052_MikroTik-RouterBOARD-750--RB750--RB-750--Level-4-300-MHz.html
http://cgi.ebay.com/DC-1-8-Power-Cable-CCTV-Camera-DVR-Save-Adapter-/320442726434?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4a9bdff822
http://cgi.ebay.com/PoE-Power-Over-Ethernet-Injector-Splitter-Adpater-Kit-/120719762126?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1b7562ce
http://cgi.ebay.com/Acer-Notebook-AC-Adapter-Charger-19V-3-42A-5-5mm-2-1mm-/270686346419?pt=Laptop_Adapters_Chargers&hash=item3f0629dcb3

L'avantage du routerboard est qu'il accepte 9 a 28V DC en alimentation donc a peu pres comme les ubiquity et que ses temperatures de fonctionnement sont tres larges de -40 a +55C.
La doc du routerboard n'est pas tres claire sur la taille du power jack est-ce 5.5/2.0 ou le plus standard 5.5/2.1 ?